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Post by mr. bungle » March 30th, 2008, 1:01 pm

mates and i put a load of washing in the dryer and turned the oven on and all the lights and charged all the phones and played Halo 3 at high volumes.

oooh yeah.

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Post by Tim » March 30th, 2008, 1:05 pm

Adam wrote:Miles is right, apart from raising a small amount of awareness it won't do shit. We could see the city from here last night and loads of lights were on, so whatever.

If we truly want to make a difference, we need to put more money into alternate sources of power generation. Step up wind farms, ethanol, etc.
Holy shit, is that Adam?

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Post by Stu » March 30th, 2008, 6:00 pm

massive success

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Post by unfnknblvbl » March 30th, 2008, 6:17 pm

I remembered to turn them off; I just didn't.

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Post by Timbo » March 30th, 2008, 10:10 pm

I totally forgot about it last night. Do I feel bad? Fuck no.

I might've been a little hasty earlier in the thread, but you're dead right Miles. Still, even though it's a complete non-event, any publicity saving electricity gets is good publicity in my books.

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Post by Pat » March 31st, 2008, 9:01 am

The power that was 'saved' is irrelevant when it was still being generated at whatever coal burning power plants were in operation (ie all of them). The event was a load of shit.

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Post by Michael » March 31st, 2008, 11:21 am

So how do power plants generally operate? Do they just generate a set amount of energy per hour (enough to satisfy the power requirements of their area), and any of it that isn't used is just wasted? Or do they have some horribly inefficient method to cache a certain amount of power for a limited period of time?

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Post by Stu » March 31st, 2008, 4:12 pm

The thing is that power plants run best when everything is on and there's an even drain of power, once you turn things off it slows down the drain (i need a better word there), once you turn everything back on the energy needed is much greater than when everything was on, so my stupid point is that turning everything off and then back on actually used up more energy than if they'd just let it alone

fuck that makes no sense

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Post by Timbo » March 31st, 2008, 4:48 pm

I think when they said that they saved enough powar to turn off two power stations (no mention of how long or anything, stupid comment) I think they were speaking hypothetically, and therefore didn't actually 'turn off' two power stations so the powar that wasn't used just went into surplus and got burnt off anyway.

I'm more and more skeptical about this whole thing as the thread goes on.

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Post by Michael » March 31st, 2008, 5:05 pm

If they want a real Earth Hour, they should just shut down two power stations for an hour. That'll fucking sort it good and proper. :D

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Post by Stu » March 31st, 2008, 5:19 pm

That'd be brill, imagine the energy spent complaining by those affected :lol:

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Post by Simon » April 1st, 2008, 2:50 am

there is base load provided by massive coal plants that generate a constant amount

then there is a fluctuating load generated by sources that can easily be scaled up or down such as hydro, wind, geothermal, etc...

or at least thats what i remember from discussing the same thing with enviro engineer friends

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Post by Stu » April 1st, 2008, 3:18 am

got this in an sms tonight
On Saturday night we were heading to the Jack Johnson gig, I told my sister it was earth hour between 8-9pm...She said "I've never heard of them. I hope they're good" I had to give her the news. Take that thought with u, still cracks me up.
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Post by nadnerb » April 1st, 2008, 3:32 am

Michael wrote:If they want a real Earth Hour, they should just shut down two power stations for an hour. That'll fucking sort it good and proper. :D
Remember that really hot day last summer when the entire powergrid went down across Melbourne for half a day, well think of the energy we saved, we should do that more often!

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Post by Miles » April 1st, 2008, 11:17 am

Lol, Argod, you're on Tim Blair!

Shame he didn't link to my awesome thread of Earth Hour derisiveness :D

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Post by Stu » April 1st, 2008, 11:20 am

hahahaha brilliant

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Post by Stu » April 1st, 2008, 12:57 pm

christ a lot of people read his blog, because of him linking to me my blogs stat counter is going nuts :lol:


I wish I'd had time to tidy up a lil bit

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Post by Miles » April 1st, 2008, 3:36 pm

Link him over here :D

But yeah Tim Blair is huge... one of the biggest blogs in Australia I think.

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Post by Michael » April 1st, 2008, 4:28 pm

Never heard of him.

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Post by Miles » April 1st, 2008, 5:15 pm

Yeah but do you follow news or current affairs or the political landscape in general?

Not having a go, I've just never noticed you to be particularly interested in the news, etc.

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Post by unfnknblvbl » April 1st, 2008, 6:33 pm

Simon wrote:there is base load provided by massive coal plants that generate a constant amount
That's it exactly. It's one of the reasons why large office buildings keep their lights on all the time; they get rebates from the power companies to do so, just so that the generators don't kill themselves at 5.30 every evening... It's what John Howard was going on about when he was saying that the only practical alternative to coal- and gas-fired power plants to supply Base Load is Nuclear.

He's still right about that, too. Did anybody else listen to Ziggy's talk on the matter?

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Post by Michael » April 2nd, 2008, 11:40 am

Miles: Yeah I do follow news (politics to a lesser extent - always bored me senseless), but only in the form of whatever rolls into my RSS stream reader every day from The Age, CNN, BBC, Slashdot, Gamasutra, Sound on Sound etc. I never really go out of my way to look for people's opinions online - about as far as I get is looking current issues up on Wikipedia if everyone's making a big song + dance about something and I have no idea what the fuck is going on. :D

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Post by Miles » April 2nd, 2008, 12:41 pm

Yep, exactly, so why did you contribute your little comment about "never heard of him" other than for some attention? :D

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