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Plagiarising from Wikipedia

Post by Miles » January 22nd, 2008, 12:59 pm

I've heard about this before, but I think I actually found some today. I was reading an article about Blu-Ray "winning" the format war (found here) and went to read about 8-Track on Wikipedia after reading it.

Notice these passages here.
The Age wrote:In addition, the eight tracks were usually divided into four groups of two (stereo) tracks, which introduced the problem of dividing a two-sided LP record into four programs of equal length. This often resulted in songs being split in two, song orders being reshuffled, and long passages of silence.
And then from Wikipedia (found here):
Wikipedia wrote:The Stereo 8 also introduced the problem of dividing up the programming intended for a two-sided LP record into four programs. Often this resulted in songs being split in two parts, reshuffled song orders, or long passages of silence.
Dodgy. As. Hell.

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Post by Michael » January 22nd, 2008, 1:25 pm

Come on, they rephrased it. :)

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Post by mkstvns » January 22nd, 2008, 1:51 pm

I was never very good at that sort of thing, haha. I mean, if the Wikipedia version is worded ideally, how do you report the same details while also rewriting it without being forced to use a lot more words?

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Post by Miles » January 22nd, 2008, 2:15 pm

It's still plagiarism with the slight rewording, and shows they've used Wikipedia as a research source - that's pretty ratshit journalism.

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Post by mkstvns » January 22nd, 2008, 2:57 pm

What source would you use for finding out about 8tracks?

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Post by Miles » January 22nd, 2008, 3:13 pm

If I were working for a major newspaper? Not Wikipedia.

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Post by Miles » January 22nd, 2008, 3:15 pm

Oh and I wouldn't write it practically word for word the same.

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Post by Michael » January 22nd, 2008, 3:24 pm

Ahhh, using Wikipedia for information is fine for anything that doesn't revolve around politics, or anything which could have a biased opinion. Who's going to write a biased article on the Stereo 8 format? :D

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Post by mkstvns » January 22nd, 2008, 3:41 pm

That's all I was saying, haha.

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Post by Miles » January 22nd, 2008, 4:29 pm

I don't think anyone should be using Wikipedia for serious research or publication.

REGARDLESS OF THE WIKIPEDIA LINK, the guy fucking wrote it almost word for word identical, which is shocking.

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Post by Michael » January 22nd, 2008, 4:52 pm

Well for the plagiarism I give you 5 points Milosh, but for the fact they used Wikipedia for researching an article, I couldn't care less where they get their information from as long as someone fact checks it. Aren't there supposed to be fact checkers in newspapers? Or is it up to the journos? :)

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Post by Miles » January 22nd, 2008, 5:10 pm

Hah, Tim keeps trying to get News.com.au to lift their game, but as if they care. I'll just rant about it here and feel better for it.

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Post by Michael » January 22nd, 2008, 9:50 pm

Haha, exactly... what kind of self respecting journalists work for internet sites anyway? :D

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Post by Gamma » January 30th, 2008, 1:15 pm

Miles wrote:I don't think anyone should be using Wikipedia for serious research or publication.
QFT.

Wikipedia is the dodgiest shit out. I know a guy who goes through random pages and slightly changes dates for shits and giggles. Sure, someone with even more time on their hands will notice it and edit it, but the fact that things like that can be done completely rules out Wikipedia for anything but pop culture information. I couldn't believe the number of papers I read in the last year that cited Wikipedia, and upon checking the page it's quite obviously just unsubstantiated crap. Even when there's a link to the source, half of the time the source itself is dodgy.

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Post by Michael » January 31st, 2008, 8:45 am

You probably get notified of changes to pages you've contributed to.

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Post by mkstvns » January 31st, 2008, 10:00 am

I guess my only point was that when it comes to 8 track car stereos, there's got to be a limit on how much time you're going to put into getting the info. I doubt there's a 100% reliable source online for that info, and nobody in their right mind is going to take a trip to the library for something like that.

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"The fucking library? What the fuck for?"
"Gotta research the 8 track car stereo boss, can't trust those wikipedia nutjobs"
"Get the fuck back to your desk, make some shit up, and then go write an article that actually fucking matters."
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Post by Michael » January 31st, 2008, 10:03 am

Is there a free online encyclopedia that isn't a wiki? Hey, to be honest even if there was one that was subscription based, you'd expect a news company to have a subscription! :D

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Post by Michael » January 31st, 2008, 10:05 am

http://www.encyclopedia.com/

MY GOD, THE FUTURE IS NOW!!!

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Post by Miles » January 31st, 2008, 11:33 am

van wrote:I guess my only point was that when it comes to 8 track car stereos, there's got to be a limit on how much time you're going to put into getting the info. I doubt there's a 100% reliable source online for that info, and nobody in their right mind is going to take a trip to the library for something like that.

"Jenkins, where the fuck are you going?"
"Off to the library sir!"
"The fucking library? What the fuck for?"
"Gotta research the 8 track car stereo boss, can't trust those wikipedia nutjobs"
"Get the fuck back to your desk, make some shit up, and then go write an article that actually fucking matters."
"sir!"
What, you can't use a real encyclopedia to look it up? You can't at least change the wording so it's not so freaking obvious you lifted it straight from Wikipedia?

If I worked at a newspaper, there's no way I'd want to use Wikipedia as a source for anything.

Since when do Journos go to the library to do research anyway? Ahahaha. There are amazing things called "CD-ROMs" and "the interwebs" that has made that redundant. Fuck me that was a weak straw man argument :lol:

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Post by mkstvns » January 31st, 2008, 12:03 pm

YEAH WELL CHUT UP

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Post by Tim » January 31st, 2008, 4:43 pm

Van change your sig, I keep reading it as part of your post.

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Re: Plagiarising from Wikipedia

Post by Tim » January 31st, 2008, 4:50 pm

Miles wrote:I've heard about this before, but I think I actually found some today. I was reading an article about Blu-Ray "winning" the format war (found here) and went to read about 8-Track on Wikipedia after reading it.

Notice these passages here.
The Age wrote:In addition, the eight tracks were usually divided into four groups of two (stereo) tracks, which introduced the problem of dividing a two-sided LP record into four programs of equal length. This often resulted in songs being split in two, song orders being reshuffled, and long passages of silence.
And then from Wikipedia (found here):
Wikipedia wrote:The Stereo 8 also introduced the problem of dividing up the programming intended for a two-sided LP record into four programs. Often this resulted in songs being split in two parts, reshuffled song orders, or long passages of silence.
Dodgy. As. Hell.
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Post by Miles » January 31st, 2008, 7:28 pm

Yeah you'd think so eh, but instead I get everyone saying it's fine and what's the big deal? :?

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Post by Michael » January 31st, 2008, 7:56 pm

Yeah, use your identical twin to back you up. ;)

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